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So I Gotta Rant: PS3 Patches/Install Data

Venom

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"So I Gotta Rant" he says. He says it's the first in some brand spankin' new series. Well, where's the rest of it if it's such a great new series, by gar?

 

Well, dear hypothetical reader who only exists in my head, I'm here to answer that question for you, because today, So I Gotta Rant gets its second installment. Rejoice! Or don't...either way, enjoy. :D

 


 

Over an hour. That's how long I've been sitting here, waiting for LittleBigPlanet 2 to finish updating. I put the game in over an hour ago fully intending to play the game, and yet, now, I've somehow lost interest in it. Somehow, the giddy excitement of dressing up a cute little Sackboy and cavorting off on a magical platforming adventure has lost its luster. Is it because I've been sitting here waiting for the empty, boring install screen to finally go away?

 

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Yes. It is because of that.

 

Whatever happened to the days when I could just pop in a game and play it? It used to be that you could buy a game, take it home, pop it in your system of choice (or the system you got whether you wanted it or not, depending on your childhood) and it was ready to go right out of the box. Nowadays there are games that literally get patches the day they land on store shelves. Did they not have time to finish? Did they not care because they knew they could patch it? What happened to the days when game developers either shipped complete games with almost no bugs and glitches or else suffered the wrath of a thousand angry gamers, critical lambasting, and the expenses of several returned copies?

 

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You know, these days.

 

But, alright, let's back up a little bit. There's nothing inherently wrong with patches and updates - I mean, if we'd had them in the Atari days, E.T. could have been made playable. It's actually great that some developers care enough about the community to listen for problems and actively attempt to fix them. But it also means that developers can get away with not finishing their games before release because they know they can just patch them later. Of course, most developers don't do this (because most developers aren't Terminal Reality) but the point still remains that patches have made it all too easy to turn the players into your quality control team. And when your player has to wait anywhere between 20 minutes to an hour (or more) just to play the game, they're not exactly going in with high hopes. I mean, don't get me wrong, sometimes it's well worth the wait, but other times, well...

 

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Don't mind me, just trying to find my AI.

 

Yeah.

 

"So you have to wait for some patches. Big deal! It makes the game more stable/playable/better/etc." you might say. But the point is that in doing so, I have to wait quite a while just to even play the game, depending on which game it is. But, fine, have it your way, patches are wonderful and great and I'm thankful we have them. That still doesn't excuse install data. Mandatory install data as most games tend to have. Because, once you've finally gotten done with the patches and your game has finally started, the first thing you should want to do is wait some more. Let's take Metal Gear Solid 4 for an example. In the 2 or 3 times I've played through the game, I never had my PS3 online, so I never downloaded any patches. Not that I needed them, since the game ran fine as it was. Regardless, I still had to sit and wait...and wait...and wait while the game installed it's massive data at the beginning and after every chapter or so. I get it, MGS4 was a huge game and wouldn't have been possible without this, but, seriously, THE WAITING. Once again, it had me pining for the days when I could just put a game in and see the title screen seconds later, not minutes/hours later.

 

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It's me again.

 

Not to mention that some games that have optional installs don't really seem all that different with or without the data installed. So why bother? Why not make them all optional? At least then I could start playing the game immediately...immediately after the patch is done downloading, that is.

 

So, needless to say, it's getting to be rather annoying to have to wait to play a game that I might actually be pretty excited about playing. Excitement can only last so long, and sometimes it doesn't last as long as a patch download or data install. Yes, these are necessary evils in today's gaming world, but they are an evil that I will continue to rant about, because when I grew up the worst waiting was waiting to get home from the store to play the game. Now it's waiting for the patch to finish downloading, and that will never cease to bother me.

 


 

On a related note, it took me about 45 minutes to write this. The LBP2 update is at 94% now. Make your own conclusions about the validity of my annoyance. :P

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I'm find with the patches to help the game be better and improve stuff to fix glitches and errors. As for installs, I really wish they aren't mandatory and just play it off the disc. It takes away a lot of space in the HDD so I had to upgrade from 80gb to 500gb last year. Also for example when they say like it's 2gb install they really meant 4gb because most of the time they double it. I dunno why they do that. It annoys me when there are times they say I need a certain limit of space in the HDD like it's 2gb and I'd have 4gb room. They still say it isn't enough because they double it wtf. Lol Anyways good stuff Venom really enjoyed this blog. 360 games never have mandatory installs that much too.

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Well in the old days if a game was broken to bad you where stuck with it. Now programers can patch it if it is. But that also allows them to push release dates up and release broken games *cough* skyrim on ps3 *cough*. But after about 1-2 it's playable lol.

 

Nice rant I look forward to more.

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Forgot to add since I was talking to Venom about this on Skype.

It's weird that 360 uses DVD discs and not have mandatory installs while PS3 uses Bluray discs and have installs. I thought BD is more powerful and DVD and shouldn't have to install. ~Shrugs~ I dunno. I just find it unusual to see PS3 still having to install with BD while PS2 didn't have to with DVDs. xD

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Yeah, the PSN is definitely a slower network than seems fair. I can connect both 360 and PS3 via ethernet cable and 360 will always download at a quicker, and more acceptable pace, than whatever the PS3 does. They are both around the same age (360 being a year older) but the PS3 has ridiculous software going on. Of course, like you are aware, it does the weirdest things like needing double the size to install digital downloads. I'm sure there's also a reason for mandatory installs being useful (probably one reason why Xbox One wanted to do that too) and it may in fact be the way of the future. But as for now, it has always seemed strange to me to see 360 not requiring it with games that were often the same quality between the two. 

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Yeah, the PSN is definitely a slower network than seems fair. I can connect both 360 and PS3 via ethernet cable and 360 will always download at a quicker, and more acceptable pace, than whatever the PS3 does. They are both around the same age (360 being a year older) but the PS3 has ridiculous software going on. Of course, like you are aware, it does the weirdest things like needing double the size to install digital downloads. I'm sure there's also a reason for mandatory installs being useful (probably one reason why Xbox One wanted to do that too) and it may in fact be the way of the future. But as for now, it has always seemed strange to me to see 360 not requiring it with games that were often the same quality between the two. 

 

Sony's network and PS3 OS are terribly unoptimized for online connection, this should be virtually non-existent with the PS4 which has been designed around connectivity.

 

The double the size to install isn't weird at all, albeit once again, very poorly planned technical fault. On PC's when you download a program, it's usually compressed in some form and when you install it'll uncompress the files and install it whereas on PS3 it appears to download the entire uncompressed game, then copies the entire game when installing, THEN deletes the original downloaded install file. I really hope this roundabout process is fixed with the PS4.

 

Because of the increasing sizes of game files playing straight off the disc is a lot slower than off a hard drive. We've seen SSD's become a bigger deal in recent years too and as someone who's upgraded their PC to run off an SSD rather than a traditional HDD I can tell you that the load times are incredible. My PC boots up to the desktop with everything fully loaded within 15 seconds, if not less. With the next gen relying heavily on installs to counteract bulky file sizes and slow load times, I wonder if, seeing as the PS4 will let you swap in your own hard drives, replacing the PS4 HDD with an SSD with offer a noticeably increased performance boost. (On a side note, people have tried this with the PS3 but it didn't offer too much of a boost because of the way the installs are set up on the PS3)

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I definitely miss the days of just putting in a game and playing it too. PSN is definitely the worst service to download a game update online too.

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I definitely miss the days of just putting in a game and playing it too. PSN is definitely the worst service to download a game update online too.

I think it has gotten a lot better I had installed the god of war collection ant it took me around 20ish hours the first time. I did it again not to long ago and it took me around 2. Thats a pretty impressive improvement.

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TWENTY-ISH HOURS!?!?!

 

...I have no right to complain about 2-ish hours anymore. >_>

 

But yeah, PSN is still pretty bad, though I don't really have a lot to compare it to since my Xbox has never been online. But my Wii and 3DS seem to download things faster...the Wii U does too, though it doesn't tell me how big the thing it's downloading is so I don't know if it's faster or just downloading smaller stuff. :lol:

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TWENTY-ISH HOURS!?!?!

 

...I have no right to complain about 2-ish hours anymore. >_>

 

But yeah, PSN is still pretty bad, though I don't really have a lot to compare it to since my Xbox has never been online. But my Wii and 3DS seem to download things faster...the Wii U does too, though it doesn't tell me how big the thing it's downloading is so I don't know if it's faster or just downloading smaller stuff. :lol:

 

Hmm, I went to download BF3 and SR3 from the PSN Store (PS+) today, a combined total of about 20GB and it took about an hour which is pretty good IMO. 

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TWENTY-ISH HOURS!?!?!

 

...I have no right to complain about 2-ish hours anymore. >_>

 

But yeah, PSN is still pretty bad, though I don't really have a lot to compare it to since my Xbox has never been online. But my Wii and 3DS seem to download things faster...the Wii U does too, though it doesn't tell me how big the thing it's downloading is so I don't know if it's faster or just downloading smaller stuff. :lol:

That was for a whole collection and some where DL only. But I thought it was pretty long even then. Now it took a lot less so I'm pretty happy about that.

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I understand your frustration man. There comes a point when all you want to do is just play the game and not watch the install screen forever.

 

I do miss the old days of cartridge. No load times, patches, or DLC. I agree that it seem to me that games now a days are so buggy. I just feel that if they don't have enough time to finish the game then they can delay it. I'm all for delay released as long as the game are bug free. It isn't like I don't have enough games to play, I don't mind having to wait on another game. But someone told me that because games are so big now a days that developer can't look in every spot to figure out every bug to fix. So you'll always have this problem.

 

But at least you were able to find something constructive to do while you wait :P. Next time, do what I do and just find something else to do while it install and update. Play a handheld games while you sit there haha.

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But at least you were able to find something constructive to do while you wait :P. Next time, do what I do and just find something else to do while it install and update. Play a handheld games while you sit there haha.

 

Yeah that's always an option. :lol: Actually I did play New Leaf a bit when I was installing LittleBigPlanet Karting, which also took a while but not nearly as long as LBP2. If it wasn't for ACNL though I'd probably spend the entire time deciding which game I wanted to play. xD

 

Hahhahah Dinosaur Aliens?  That's awesome xD

 

That .gif was too hilarious to not use. :lol:

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Yeah that's always an option. :lol: Actually I did play New Leaf a bit when I was installing LittleBigPlanet Karting, which also took a while but not nearly as long as LBP2. If it wasn't for ACNL though I'd probably spend the entire time deciding which game I wanted to play. xD

 

While waiting for the install of U3 and the updates, I just went downstair and started a movie with my sister lol.

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I only bought a PS3 recently and i honestly don't mind the wait, it just means I **** around on my PC instead until it's ready.

 

I see a lot of this as unnecessary entitlement, based on your emotional urges... it is your story writing taking play again, you have made emotional demands of the game you have bought and in particular, those in charge of it, but you can not hope to be the developer, only they can... and since it is for your benefit alone that you play this game, you will be forced to put up with it as everyone else is.

If the game you have bought and await installation of isn't up to your standards and doesn't meet the standards of what you deem critical to your palette, it simply means the developer is not optimal for you, not a scoundrel.

 

Ofcourse, you could simply rely on PC and get things done at a nominal speed, as Ludono said the PS3 is terribly optimized. Sadly some amazing games are exclusive to consoles which is a point of frustration for me because consoles are essentially a second PC but with less features and like a PC you have to buy a new one every 4 or so years.

 

Everything a console does a PC can do and do it better, I can understand the appeal of handhelds like the DS and Vita because they have portability going for them. With computers getting cheaper and cheaper the original reason to buy a console is lost on that computers are getting closer to the price range of their originally cheaper dysfunctional cousins.

 

I say stop making consoles and start with competitive OS's instead, there hasn't been a large OS War since the days of Microsoft Versus Apple, imagine that chaos again. Currently Microsoft have gotten cozy being the mainstream OS and it's given them an excuse to be rather lazy.

 

I say the OS wars should come again, no I do NOT count smartphones as a PC and neither do a lot of people.

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Yea question. How come when I go into my download history in the account management tab it still uses the GOOD PS3 store blue style,

But when i go on the "store' it just freezes to sugar.

 

*sigh I hate that update the most*  More then teh 3.5 thing that started teh whole YLOD Fat rumor.  which i personly thing it did to mine

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@Monkey you so stole those self entitlement and letting emotions get in the way lines from our debate xD I have Marcus as proof.

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